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On Second Thought

I know I promised I’d write something about What We Learned When We Infiltrated a “Pickup Artist” Seminar (if you haven’t read it yet, you should) that appeared in Lemondrop last week.  But, on second thought, I’ve decided not to.

I’m probably one of the least appropriate people to comment on it.  First of all, I’m a lot older than those women, or any of the boys who were participating in that seminar (I’m assuming. And I’d bet money on that assumption.).  And I’ve never seen the VH-1 show they’re talking about and only vaguely know from other blogs who this Mystery dude is.

The truth is, I think there’s a generation/demographic gap that affects my ability to find anything sympathic about these guys.  I’m a child of the 70s and 80s and therefore grew up before this so-called hooking-up culture.  Hell, I had to take ballroom dancing classes in phys ed.  It was mandatory.  Every boy had to learn to look a girl in the eye and ask her to dance.

So I’m just gonna keep my specific comments on this article to myself.

$3000?

Seriously?


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  1. SpikeTheLobster says:

    That Lemondrop post is brilliant. “Cave of Wonder vaginas accessible by a secret password” – now that’s a turn of phrase. Can’t believe there are people able to pay $3k for such nonsense. Also can’t believe I missed out on that fact and didn’t start my own business. Then again, I’d have to talk like AskMen, so my sanity wouldn’t last long. Yikes.

  2. Hammer86 says:

    Is $3000 really that much money to get your dating life handled forever? Not to say that everyone gets it handled by taking a program, but anyone who puts in the work is pretty much guaranteed to.

    To answer your question, there are a ton of guys in their 40s and 50s going to these things. That said, they are usually looking to date younger women.

  3. browolf says:

    I wouldn’t pay 3k for it but at the same time some of that stuff I find interesting simply because I’m not remotely a natural people person but am actively improving myself cos in the past there’s a certain amount of like begets like and it’s no fun dating messed up women with seriously low self esteem and sitting around bemoaning ones inadequate upbringing isn’t going to help that one bit.

  4. Simone Grant says:

    -Spike
    Yes, that’s gotta be the best sentence I’ve read this month. Both because it’s hysterical and completely true.
    -Hammer
    I guess that all depends on what a person’s definition of dating is and what they wish to get out of it. The two men I know who’ve admitted to reading/converting to this mode of “picking up women” certainly did get laid more. They didn’t have more/better relationships and in one case the women he was dating were pretty but dumb. But if women aren’t people but “Cave of Wonder vaginas”, then sure, I can imagine some guys who had the money thinking why not.
    -browolf
    I think there’s a lot to be said for wanting to improve your interpersonal skills so that you’ll feel more comfortable in dating situations. I’m all for that. Confidence is good. Learning to project yourself with confidence is good. But seriously, the women I know are most attracted to men who treat them like people. People with boobs, sure. But people.